Minutes, FHCA meeting September 20 2017


September 20, 2017

President’s report

  • Web site – fhca.ca
  • Ed MacIntosh, president
  • FHCA is a volunteer non-profit organization – we volunteer our time to represent the community dealing with issues that affect our community such as safety, traffic, development
  • The FHCA gathers four times a year to discuss issues that affect our community
  • FHCA helps shape policy and issues that involve our community
  • If you have problems in our community, please send your information to us and we will look into these issues (go to Contact Us on the fhca.ca website or send email to directors@fhca.ca). This is our primary site to collect comments from residents about community issues so we know about them and can send them on to the City.
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Treasurer’s report

  • Financial statement – total account balance is $2,024.38

RCMP update on safety and security – District Commander Cpl (A/Sgt) Bob Keay, acting sergeant was in attendance tonight.  He can be reached at bob.keay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca.  District #2 Community Response Unit 10395-148 St.  phone # 778-593-3286 – you can leave a voicemail on Bob’s number if there is something taking place in community that you want brought to the attention of RCMP and is not urgent.

  • Break and enters in FH and Birdland – 2 different groups operating in these areas have been arrested, charges laid and the groups have been displaced (B&E #s have drastically been reduced since then).
  • Increase in fraud – this is a difficult crime to investigate. There were 2,492 incidents reported in Surrey from Jan to Aug 2017 in the form of house rentals, job offers, phone calls, emails, credit card fraud, stolen/lost property.  Most of the identity papers are stolen from cars – thieves create fake credit cards based on this information.
  • Bank card fraud – 214% increase Feb and March 2017 – done through skimming machines which allow thieves to fraudulently access victims’ bank cards without victims knowing as the cards are not stolen, only the information is stolen.
  • Phone scam strategies –
  1. Scammers say they are calling on behalf of an authority (CRA, IRS, RCMP, foreign police agencies, Chinese or other foreign gov’t) and want payment, often in the form of a large number of iTunes or Steam Gift cards. They may threaten deportation of individual if payment isn’t made.  Note, they may spoof the phone system and look like they are actually phoning from one of those agencies so don’t assume the number is legitimate.
  2. The caller says “You won a prize” or “you qualify for reduced credit card loan rates” but in order to get these, you must pay a processing fee (so they get your bank information).
  3. “Yes” phone calls – the caller asks for victim by name “Is this Mr. X” and if you say “yes”, your recorded voice is used for okaying the thieves’ transactions as they already have all your information.
  4. Gov’t phone scams – starting in June, there were multiple calls targeting Chinese victims for personal info and money. Some of these scams were claiming the person had sent a parcel to China and the government was requiring money to be sent.
  • Common email fraud – these require you to click on the email link, put in your information and then your computer freezes. They say you have to pay money to unlock computer.  It’s a virus that has been introduced into your computer.  Don’t pay them!  Instead, unplug your internet.
  • House rental – scammers post fake rental ads on Craigslist, require a deposit and may even mail a key but there is no rental suite or someone lives there already.
  • Job offer scam – posted on Craigslist – They will send victim a cheque to deposit in account. Before the transaction has cleared the bank, they’ll call back and say they overpaid you so you have to remit the difference but you can keep the rest.  Turns out the cheques are bogus and you’ll  be out all the money you sent to them
  • Prevention – protect your ID – never give personal info over phone or internet. If too good to be true, it probably is.
  • If you are uncertain about a call or email, ask police for assistance before you send money or reply. Note;  police never accept money or any form of payment (even if you want to pay a ticket, you must go to proper agency to pay).
  • Gabe Pelletier is taking over from Blair Berkner to oversee Crime Prevention/Block Watch in Whalley, Newton and Guildford.


  • Highcrest
  1. The proposal of adding another 105 townhouses and reducing the retail space to 4,500 sq ft. was rejected by the City. There were 37 letters of opposition, 92 people who signed in at City Hall opposed and at least 7 or 8 spoke against it.
  2. FHCA president, Ed MacIntosh, approached Ron Gill, head of Surrey City planning, to request our association be a part of the planning proposals earlier in the process and Ron Gill agreed to that. FHCA often did not hear about developments until late in the process and it could be difficult to convince council at the time of the town meeting.
  • Proposed high-density townhouse development at 100 Avenue and 176 Street
  1. The 4.5 acre parcel of land for this proposed Townhouse complex is north of Hwy 1, west of 176 (Hwy 17) and on both sides of 100 Ave that used to enter onto 176th. It sits 8 meters below the road level on the north.  There is a statutory right of way through the middle of the acreage.  This parcel is zoned for 15 units per acre but this development is currently at 16.8 units per acre.  It is not zoned for commercial so no retail on property.
  2. Doug Johnson is the architect on project and gave the following information:
  • The City wanted townhouses/higher density in this area and with the property configuration, this type of housing fits the area well.
  • The proposed 77 townhouses will face Barnston and they will be in small clusters (3 or 4 units) with horizontal siding, wall shingles and heavy timber for porch detailing
  • Existing trees on an adjacent 9,000 sq. ft. lot to the west will be retained (not developed) and the existing 100 Ave will be closed at entrance to complex
  • Units will have double car garages, peaked roofs and exteriors in a rich palate of colours
  • Townhouses will be 3 floors, 2,200 sq ft, 3 bdrm (garage included in sq area). No suites in bottom level – it is not a big area (bonus room on lower floor – 13 ft by width of unit. Strata controls suites and they won’t allow suites
  • Road frontages will be finished and sidewalks put in up to their frontage
  • City guidelines for visitor parking (# units X 0.2 = 15 visitor parking spaces)
  • Target price range would be, depending on type and size, over $650,000 but hard to predict at this point in time.
  1. A concern was raised that the density of this development exceeded the guidelines in the Local Area Plan.
  2. Question was asked about excess parking – where would those cars park? Since there is no transit nearby (168 St/104 Ave is closest), most units would have at least 2 cars.  What would stop people from parking in residential areas around the complex or on Barnston (answer – City would be put up signs for no parking).
  3. Residents had concerns about access in and out of this development as there are essentially only two streets that can be used (168 or 171A) to come and go.
  4. Note; Developers have to go to the City to apply for each change they make to the plans.
  5. Question asked about possibility of having 1 or 2 storey units for FH residents who want to stay in the area but downsize and have less or no stairs to climb. Suggestion was to have a lift installed.
  6. Question – if a property is bought for investment, can it be rented out or will the strata allow that – depends on strata
  7. Schools? Schools in FH are already quite full or closed – would there be a future school built nearby? – most likely no.  School fees are paid to City by development but the City and Province decide when and where schools will be built
  8. Question about noise mitigation in the units – complex is beside the truck route with about 30,000 vehicles driving by per day (Hwy 17/SFPR or old 176 Street). Answer – they will be required to do acoustic report and have an acoustic buffer
  9. Question about the tree canopy being lost as every tree is usually taken down. Answer – each tree has to be replaced with 2 trees (but not necessarily in that location and often tiny trees are planted that take decades to grow)
  10. If residents want to give feedback about this development, please send emails to fhca


Hawthorne Park

  1. City of Surrey is planning on putting road(s) through Hawthorne Park (104/144) and residents had to have over 30,000 signatures on their petition by Sept 22nd in order to have council revisit or stop this construction.
  2. 105 Ave was designated to go through and utilities moved into the park because the LRT proposed for 104 Ave will cause 104 Ave to be very congested (it would go from 4 lanes to 2 lanes). There is a “right of way” in the park – suggestion was to put the utilities underground and not disturb the park.
  3. If City doesn’t listen to residents, there is the possibility they could use parks around the City for other projects, even in FH.
  4. Hawthorne Park has a historical remnant bog which is 4,000 to 5000 years old. Bonaccord Creek runs through the park and this roadway would be adjacent to the children’s water park.

Traffic Issues

  • Intersection at 104 and SFPR – issues with U-turns, intersection congestion
  1. Coming down hill on SFPR there’s a left turn to turn up 104 Ave. People were going up and making a U turn – within a week, a no U-turn sign was put up.
  • Other issue in that area concerns pedestrians and cyclists, the intersection, CN yards, 2 sets of lights. A letter was sent to Jamie Boan at the City to get the lights and intersection fixed before someone gets seriously injured.


  • Trans Mountain pipeline – FHCA is working with City to oppose route that had been proposed
  • Surrey Bend Regional Park – On Saturday October 14, there will be a Flashlight Mysteries evening in the park from 6 to 9 p.m. It is posted on our website.  See metrovancouver.org,
  • Abbey Ridge Concept Use Plan – Don Luymes from Planning has moved on to another job at the City – now Preet Heer is temporarily taking over position – she will be meeting with some directors to do a review of the plan from 172 Street to Golden Ears Way. East side of SFPR.  Neighbourhood input is valuable.
  • 1 lot 166A and 102 Ave – in Parkview Place development – 1 lot on corner 311 sq meters – too small for house but house is proposed to go there.
  • 1 resident caught 3 car thief incidents around Salisbury Dr on video surveillance – they filed police report.
  • 168 bridge to Tynehead, 20 Aug – someone was camping there and has been seen more than once. Police won’t do anything if those people aren’t causing problems.
  • Earlier in September around 172 St – resident stated that there were guys slashing tires – Information like this must be reported to police, a file number will be issued and then police will be aware of the activity and send more patrols to this and surrounding areas. Everyone who had tires slashed needs to report.  If not reported, police are not aware of problem and won’t be on the lookout for the criminals.
  • Nester’s – restricted access, illegal left turn into the mall, lots of people making U-turns to get back into the mall
  • Art piece that was to go at 156/108 traffic circle – will now go around the community Rec Centre. City will give an update near end of September.
  • Wine store at Fraser Heights Village Mall – They stated customers wanted beer and wine in the store (they had over 400 letters requesting the change). An application was made to permit the conversion to a private liquor store with a full product line.  100 meter letter will be sent out then green sign will go up.  If residents are opposed to this change in the store, fine, let the directors/City know.  Square footage will remain the same.
  • resident questioned whether they would expand the size of the store, perhaps taking over space next door to it but that is not part of the zoning application so size will remain the same.

The FHCA meetings for the 2017/2018 year will be:
December 6, 2017

February 21, 2018

May 9, 2018